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itude replied on

Why privatising Home Care (help) services simply doesn't work.

I had the privilege of working in the "old system" in which all "home helps" were employed by and managed by Social Services.

Fantastic system, I used to go out and assess people for that and various other services, if I felt they needed it, quick report, took it next door to the home care managers and it was done !.

Any problems, next door again, not that there were many problems.

If there were staff shortages, the home care managers would just "borrow" some from the manager from the neighbouring area, they all worked in the same room !

Only time that ever failed, the home care manager said " right lets go and do it ourselves then" and we did, you never said no to Audrey :)

Then it got in the main privatised, what a mess.The first time I ever used on of the private companies, they sent a pregnant 17 year old girl to do a night watch on an elderly lady whose daughter was exhausted by the process of doing it all herself.

It ended up with her looking after both.

Any problems with private homecare and I had to go to the private homecare liaison person, they then went to the private companies "complaints officer" and so on and on, more than often my concerns just got "lost" in this system.

There are so many more problems and I could go on about Residential Care next, but just one final point, privatisation is inherently flawed in this area.

Contracts were for 4 years, and then put out to tender again.

Any company tendering cannot possibly employ the number of people needed to fulfill that contract, until they know they have it !

Obviously, how can they pay people when they don't know if they get the contract or not.

Each time there is a change it is a total mess, and it takes a very long time to work it out, a couple of years is not unusual.

Of course this is made a lot worse by the competitive nature of this process. A company who may have finally got to some level of competence is hardly likely to "give" all its best workers to another company who have just "pinched" their contract..are they ?

So the silly cycle starts all over again.

It has turned a superb service into an absolute mess, I could go on, but I retired a few years ago, I just couldn't stand it, and that's without even mentioning that my decision making was taken away to some "Funding Panel", who never ever got to see a client of mine.

Oh no, they said no, but I had to tell people that, even though I recommended the services for them

Best not go into the quality of my "replacements" eh :)

Suffice it to say that they could be paid about half of what I was paid, and if they knew no different system, well what could they say ?

John Harris replied on

Southern Water have been found out and recently heavily fined for years of covering up/lying about not processing water properly etc.. here in Adur and Worthing in Sussex. A big new development called New Monks Farm has been passed for planning on a Flood plain. Southern Water, knowing the problems we have locally with rising water blocking sewage from what is old sewage system (which has needed upgrading even before all this new extra use comes online). Southern Water also passed with no new sewage system in spite of it having to cope with a development of 650 houses, a major IKEA store and new Brighton & Hove Albion FC training and sports facilities for men & women. All of these will be attached to our ancient sewage system with no upgrading. I don't trust Southern Water to have done all the necessary checks given their past record. We need a re-assessment by an independent authority before the work on this enormous development goes ahead. I would trust a water company in Public ownership to have the well-being of the local community in mind when making a decision which will take 8 - 10 years to complete but this private company has form. I just don't trust them. Of course, the background to all this is Climate Change. In the long term, it looks as if rising sea levels will at some point affect this area.

Andrew Bisacre replied on

Certainly feel that busses etc. should be back under public ownership.

Its vital after that to ensure that they are operated profitably, there is no reason why they cant be.

Graham Day replied on

Totally agree a whole range of services and industries should be brought back into the public ownership domain. However, how can we give the concept an identity and protection from predatory finance? Here's how: thesovereigneconomy.home.blog An idea to protect, and an identity for the whole of the pubic owned economy.

Roger Philpott replied on

The ideology of speculation and short-term profit rather than investment and long term sustainability has taken precedence with many of our politicians for the last 30 years and inevitably the house of cards continues to collapse, the latest example being the predictable fate of the privatised probation services. 'We Own It' has been part of that success and we now need to take the initiative further while the present government is in chaos. Many of us will have seen our banks and post offices closed, my town has lost it's one bank and our local shop has a post office where the staff serve at both and do their best but have very limited training in Post Office work (I speak as an ex Crown Office Postal Officer who spent weeks on a training course and under supervision before qualifying in the 1970s). I would now like to see more co-ordination between organizations supporting public services and specifically into investing in research into combining Post Office services with Banking including any other services which might make this more economically sustainable.

There must be many organizations and pressure groups which would like to see public services restored rather than privatized for the short-term benefit of itinerant executives and speculators. I commend the pressure group 'Tax Watch' set up last year by Julian Richer of 'Richer Sounds;' Julian has written a number of books on ethical capitalism and has shown that this works in practice. Readers may have noticed that he has been in the news recently for gradually transferring his ownership of the business to his staff. If everyone paid their share of tax then our public services and NHS would not be under the pressures they are - hardly rocket science! 'Tax Watch' is just one example of a pressure group we should link up with.

Terry Morgan replied on

Hi. just before Labour get into power and nationalises the national grid, how about setting up a petition to abolish meter standing charges.

In my own case - last year standing charge on gas & electric was 26/27p a day! This year British Gas has put this up to 36.07/35.66p a day!

My last quarterly gas bill was £49.15p (vat £2.34p) gas usage £16.15, standing charge £30.66 - in other words I paid twice as much for a meter

charge, (which are virtually maintenance free) ! Or, in other words British Gas is stealing people's money! Like everyone else I don't mind paying

for gas use bit it is an outrageous scandal for this company to be getting away with this !

Jennifer Thompson replied on

After being discharged from hospital with an open wound, I needed District Nurses for six weeks and I. That time had different nurses nearly every day, who had little knowledge of my condition and if this had improved or not. When I enquired why there were so many I was told that because the service was private and covered a large area then it was more cost effective to allocate nurses randomly without any thought for cobtinuity

Keith Gray replied on

I want all our services in the public sector. I am very pro public sector. Our NHS was set up free at the point of use. This Tory Government wants to privatise it and slowly but surely they are. We need all public services funded by public money. Privitisation is a wzy of making financial gain for themselves whilst the services deteriorate to unacceptable levels. Public Ownership is an essential part of society and we must fight to keep the ones in public sector and fight to bring back into public ownership. Enough is enough. We will fight and will win.

Dennis Tuckerman replied on

I support all of your proposals, especially bringing Utility Services back to Public Ownership I.e. re-nationalisation.

One MORE THING - I’m a very active socialist signing numerous petitions. However you (and many others) are guilty of making use of Social Media (such as Facebook) to widen your audience and impact. I’ve never had or wanted a FaceBook Account because of the way

Biba Maya replied on

Hello Dennis,

Thank you for your comments. I completely understand that not everyone uses social media and so will not see our campaigns on these platforms. We make a conscious effort to be very active via email and use this as our main medium for communicating with supporters. We understand why people choose not to use social media and want for internet monopolies to be owned by the public, please have a look at our webpage on it: https://weownit.org.uk/public-ownership/internet-monopolies

It is a key way for us to engage with supporters though and without being active on these mediums we risk losing a massive chunk of supporters who engage with us from different demographics. We hope you understand this.

Many thanks,

Biba

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John Archibald replied on

Re. The Rail Review: terms of reference

Purpose

1. The government’s vision is for the UK to have a world-class railway, working as part of the

wider transport network and delivering new opportunities across the nation...

In 1954 under the leadership of noble and selfless politicians, who lived under the indifference of social deprivation and fought in the horrors of a real war, championed social redress and democracy for all. Their vision for our erstwhile Great Britain, gave us the best railway in the World and British Railways got us to work on time, cheaply in a coherent transport strategy with plentiful opportunities for all its citizens.

A year later, Macmillan, Marple’s and Beaching’s selfish self interests and anti-social ideology, was to replace trains and trams with cars, busses and lorries – the horrors of which blight our roads and cities with death and incoherency in most aspects of society’s needs, with opportunities and rewards for the privileged few.

Had our political voting system enabled true democracy, BR would still be the World leader and our country would still be manufacturing and exporting trains, railways, cars, busses trams ships planes, etc. across the world.

But without democracy and the public having a voice in proportion to our needs, Keith Williams report will be superfluous to what our corrupt, undemocratically elected politicians dictate.

Far more onerous for the general public, is that under the dictate of the UN, said politicians will adopt their policies of World Governance for the benefit of the few, at the expense and elimination of the many.

Suzanne Scoble replied on

I remember pre79 when nothing was privatised and you never heard of redundancy. It felt things were rock solid and enough staff to keep things going smoothly.

Now private companies have cut staff and put profit before people and that is the big change. Also it has not made it competitive (energy for example) but what does make me really angry is the CEO 's salaries and perks. I really believe that is where the increases go when we have to pay an increase.(energy)

I think that their packages are obscene. Also the money goes to the shareholders.

Also employees have not got the secruity in there jobs anymore.

I have been against it from the start.

John Archibald replied on

Re Rail fare rationalisation BBC Breakfast Monday 18 February 2019

No sooner had the ink dried than more no funny jokes ushered forth c/o Robert Nisbet regional director for the Rail Delivery Group.

Nisbet’s previous jokes - as a fifth of Northern Rail services were delayed or cancelled and commuters tempers nationwide were at breaking point – was that Britain has the most efficient railways in Europe!

Nisbet kept the laughs rolling saying that European nations including France, Spain and Italy could ‘only dream’ of having our kind of performance and punctuality records, because of the public-private partnership.

This morning’s jokes were about rationalising fairs and it talking 3 to 5 years to roll it out, thus pre-ordaining the Governments Rail Review – which is clearly set in stone now i.e. No Public Partnership!

Which is no different to the Governments joke of telling employers to consult with employees to try and stop redundancies, and allowing them to issue their last pay packets after the meeting.

In the case of our Railways (and the rest of our public services and essential utilities), the sad truth is that under proper Public Participation i.e. Co ownership. Management and having a proportional say for the strategic needs of the country. British Railways (BR) could lead the World again.

And others would indeed only dream of having our kind of performance, punctuality and low fares, because of our fine morals and grand ideals.

J Archibald

John Archibald replied on

Re Banks should work for people not profit?

Absolutely, but before we can even dream about co-owning and running our essential public services and utilities, etc. The Public either follows Natalie Bennetts call; and we demand Proportional Representation to have true democracy. Or, the public takes matters into their own hands; and emulates a Fidel Castro style overthrow of the government – who’s volunteering?

Face reality folks, as apart from Guy Fawkes the last time the people fought back, Thatcher had the police batter their skulls-in and the army on call to help - Churchill used that threat at Tonypandy.

Yes, we needed Churchill to take on a tyrant, and we need that resolve again. As our inept politicians have left us a laughing stock and made us a sitting duck. As witnessed by our Royal Navy sending a dinghy to “shadow” a Russian Aircraft carrier through the English Channel - as they laughed - drinking vodka, undermining our resolve and NATO alliance to help a dictator! it’s a joke, but not a funny joke!

The current debacle of Brexit is another not funny joke of the endemic power our politicians have and their arrogance to perpetuate a political system that is undemocratic, corrupt and inept!

So, we defo need democracy, as their biggest draconian threat is even worse. The Hadley centre, created by Thatcher, was used to replace coal with uranium and strip all power from the unions and miners! But the on-going horrors of Fukushima, the threat of Nuclear annihilation and the rapid demise of our Natural Gas shows what being arrogant, corrupt, inept and stupid really means.

What’s not-on though, is their cruelty to keep undermining our children’s hopes to have a decent job and better life! As as N° 11 turns the recessions on and off, Thatcher and her corrupt followers at N° 10 (Blair et al) morphed Hadley with The University of East Anglia to form the IPCC. And use their corrupt HadCRUT data to threaten the world populations with the consequences of them causing AGW and scaring our children! Surly the repugnant truth of how corrupt our politicians really are!

As truth is, they’ve corrupted this science! As ever since Pangea broke-up to form the current land poles and ocean thermohaline systems, the ice cores prove CO2 is uncorrelated to temperature and lags in and out-off each 100 Ky ice age cycle - triggered by the suns heat variances and orbital cycles. And in-between the short interglacial’s, the Earth’s heat balance is regulated with water vapour to form the greenhouse effect, with 0.004% of CO2 from intrinsic sources! The biggest joke of all!

That’s why the we need democracy: To combat air pollution and have more trains, trams integrated transport, especially in built up areas. And utilise fossil fuels (cleanly and efficiently) to keep all people in affordable electricity and foster more wealth and work for all who are able to work and bolster our Social care for those who are sick, infirmed, or unable to work.

In this respect the agenda our corrupt politicians have is about them keeping power and them deciding who will survive and prosper in their cushy New World Order. History, shows the tenable link to those who turned their back on Christianity and disposed of their fellow men women and children, in circumstances not that dissimilar to what’s being meted out now. This is why we must have the resolve to fight for what our forefathers died for, as they fought tyranny for us To Own It.

Liam Murphy replied on

It is important not to be dogmatic. 'We' have more ways of 'owning' assets than just public ownership. We have public, private, common and club goods and new technologies enable other (combined) categories. I think ytou should make it plain that your campaign includes particularly, common ownership and cooperative ownership (ie not public) as options. It would then be easier for me and many others to support you in your endeavours, which I would very much like to do.

Gillian Dalley replied on

I am trying to stimulate people on the left to think more carefully about social care. Politicians seem only to be concerned with funding arrangements - i.e. demanding more public money to be put into social care in order to improve NHS efficiency (discharging people from hospital on time). They fail to acknowledge that this is simply putting public money into a private service.

We need to understand that social care is:

• a chaotic privatised service which is unplanned in relation both to likely demand in terms of future numbers, location and needs of clients and appropriate workforce size and skills to meet this demand;

• dependent on the whim of providers – made up of individual small-business operators, a small number of charitable providers, and a range of large operators (with large numbers of beds) often owned by speculative hedge funds which are only interested in profit margins;

• staffed by an under-qualified, largely non-professional, poorly-paid workforce in contrast to the highly-skilled professional NHS workforce with which it is expected to co-operate;

• means-tested – that is, anyone with assets over £23,250 has to pay wholly for their care (the remainder being funded by their local authority against a very rigorous test of their care needs, which too often excludes a large proportion of those, who by most lay definitions, need it);

• based on a funding stream (via the local authority settlement) entirely different from that of the NHS (directly Treasury-funded);

and

• that it is therefore impossible for the NHS and social care to merge coherently – widely recognised in theory as the only workable option – in any way that would bring high quality care to those who need it in a timely, effective and affordable way.

We should therefore be campaigning for a rejection of the current system of social care provision in its entirety which should be replaced, over time, by a National Care Service, the structure and scope of which is in public ownership, funded through general taxation, free at the point of use, and meeting the highest standards of care as determined by the most up-to-date and evidence-based research, with a workforce trained in accordance with these research findings and employed by the National Care Service itself.

tom carver replied on

hallo,

i think water, gas, electric, trains, post should all be nationalised as well as police, fire, ambulance.

If they were inefficient, lumbering incompetents then whatever it was that made them so should be removed to allow them to work efficiently for the citizens and not sell the utilities so they make money once for the government and thereafter for shareholders only.....

As for police, fire, ambulance, by what stretch of the imagination are these 'local'??? witness the lack of co-operation between different county forces and inability to communicate because of the use of different systems... madness!

cheers, tom

John Archibald replied on

Ref Rail Rage 2019 Breakfast ITV 2/1/19

Like the IPCC/UN political agenda of trying to Brainwash, bamboozle and scare the gullible public to believe CO2 drives the climate hence give credence to implement Agenda 21 and cull the masses - so the ruling classes can take over the Earth. It's also far too easy to pick apart Chris Grayling's fascist agenda and savage his totalitarian NWO politics designed to make the poor train passengers pay more for expanding Bransons Souters et al bank balances as well. Indeed one could easily run away withe the idea to become shareholders and adopt a "if we cant beat them join them attitude". Alas however our bent slithering two faced politicians have us over a barrel! And as Natalie Bennett said to us at PO 2.0 "until we get PR" and get rid of our bent politicians, we can't do JS. So here's a happy new year to all who like myself hope that the public WAKES UP to the reality of WTF is really going on and takes control.

Tony Kime replied on

A firm called Newcross Healthcare Solutions (bad enough using such a cynical acronym) is making millions of pounds and paying its director similar annual bonuses. Why can't the real NHS be doing the same work whilst not having to make a profit? This company is paying crazily low wages so that a handful of shareholders can make money out of other folks' misfortunes.

H replied on

Other European countries are at different stages of privatisation (or even bringing things back in-house). It is essential to connect with campaigns (local and national) in other European countries. We can learn a lot from each other!

Alan Hampson replied on

From everything I've seen happening to strategic national services over the last thirty years, "private" means "pirate".

John replied on

I am particularly concerned about the creeping privatisation of the NHS even though I live in Scotland. After Brexit I worry that the price of an American (USA) trade deal may mean that the NHS would be opened up to privatisation by commercial healthcare firms from the USA. There is no doubt that these firms would lead to a destruction of the founding ethos of the NHS that it be free at the point of delivery and that treatment be based on the clinical need not the ability to pay. The USA spends about double the UK per capita but anybody who has been sick there knows how hard it is to get appropriate healthcare. This is due to a large slice of the funding being siphoned of to fuel the profits of these firms. Commercial healthcare leads to bad medicine with unnecessary treatment being given on the basis of their ability to pay. I could write about the unnecessary tonsilectomies in the USA and many other examples of the way that commercial medicine corrupts healthcare.

Roy Orbinson replied on

The world is a business. Corporates are taking over, money and greed is everywhere and means everything to the elites. Enough is never enough,self interest and making profit is their goal while society and the poor suffer for it. The capitalist system is not broken it was designed that way it’s working perfectly for them. It’s time to make huge changes to stop corporates controlling our future.

Phil Gorner replied on

The NHS literally saved my life and continues to support me. I cannot believe that a morally wrong privatised health service would have been willing to spend thousands on a common or garden patient, financially, as me. Services are just that. It is morally repugnant and, frankly, evil that a few monied interests should make life or death decisions dependent on personal profit. Much the same argument, though not quite as emotive or perhaps extreme, could be extended to other threatened services...

colin brown replied on

RE NHS I am having to suffer with re-occuring skin cancer it is disfiguring but not the fatal kind. My recent experience at my local Hospital was a proper eye opener. I saw the consultant surgeon,who said I would have a 6 month wait for surgery, but if I went private he could see me in a matter of weeks. This is against everything I STAND FOR,SO POLITELY DECLINED HIS REQUEST. However how many of THE FEW jump in front of THE MANY without any thought.

Glynne Williams replied on

The scandal of local councils selling off what does not belong to them has to be stopped. Councils have a very skewed view of what they're actually in office for. They do not seem to understand that they do not actually own anything; they hold public assets in trust for future generations. It is more than time that the creeping privatisation and take-over of public assets is stopped in its tracks. That includes by the way the use of public space for private, money-making ventures, resulting in the exclusion of council tax payers from areas of public parks. It also includes the attempted development on public spaces. We are currently fighting the removal of the last vestiges of the old Selborne Park in Walthamstow - a shopping mall took a huge chunk of it, and now the mall owners want to take even more for more retail space and tower blocks.

Chris Hemmings replied on

After today, what of "deprivatising" as the generic term?

John Archibald replied on

Re Water Privatization et al

Like all our other essential utilities and strategic services the General Public should be given the right to own, run, manage and foster these for the betterment of society and future generations. Historical and current evidence proves that the private sector mavericks spivs and our corrupt and inept politicians, are only making the divide in society worse i.e. make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Moreover, as Britain muddles its way in a changing World devoid of its Pink Empire and its politicians who have indeed lost their way, one cannot hide from the fact that a large proportion of them support the ideology of a NWO: Where the UN corrupts the true climate change science, builds its FEMA camps and has Agenda 21 ready to solve the problem of decent from the ranks. Therefore, given the extreme nature of whats really happening the General Public needs to take control.

P Simon replied on

Hi, you make some good points. I think it is wrong that the council houses were allowed to be sold off, also, wrong to sell water, gas, leccy, trains.

I am one of those people who wants to leave the country though so i hope i get the chance before the global pandemic, world war 3.5 and the other bullcrap happens.

John Archibald replied on

Re Water Privatization et al

Like all our other essential utilities and strategic services the General Public should be given the right to own, run, manage and foster these for the betterment of society and future generations. Historical and current evidence proves that the private sector mavericks spivs and corrupt and inept politicians, are only making the divide in society worse i.e. make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Moreover, as Britain muddles its way in a changing World devoid of its Pink Empire and its politicians who have indeed lost their way, one cannot hide from the fact that a large proportion of them support the ideology of a NWO: Where the UN corrupts the true science, builds its FEMA camps and has Agenda 21 ready to solve the problem of decent from the ranks. Therefore, given the extreme nature of whats really happening the General Public needs to take control.

Pat Marie replied on

Is there any way to find out exactly how much has been paid in dividends to shareholders during all the years and for all the companies that have been privatised? If this can be published it would show how much privatisation has cost this country.

marion buckle replied on

Is'nt it funny how nationalised properties i.e water and electricity etc, never made money when it was nationalised yet has made money when it became privately owned.With the correct people running these services money could be made for the country.

John Kane replied on

Water, Gas, Electricity etc should never have been sold off. Get it back

Barry Ewart replied on

I would like democratic public ownership to be the opposite of the old 'nationalisations' - which it could be argued were top down, distant, too bureaucratic and usually had the same bosses in control with the community and staff having little say. So perhaps the regional boards could be elected by the community they serve OMOV and a percentage of board places are set for staff/trade unionist reps which equally should be elected by staff/trade union members OMOV. Each board should rotate the venues of meetings which should be open to members of the public and these should be listening exercises where the community can offer ideas to be explored. Yes we need to end the waste from leaks, help the poor re water bills, and the interesting ideas about having water fountains in town/village/city centres/pubs plus in offering free hot and cold water to the homeless but where possible I would also like to see more areas owned publicly by a water authority to be opened up to the public. Their should be an annual meting of the board and again the public/customers could submit their ideas although in practice we would all be customer/owners. Let loads of ideas flow!

George W Fogg replied on

Privatisation of public services was, and, remains a con trick. When people bought shares in services they already owned. Imagine someone knocking on your door offering to sell you your own car. People who bought shares should be ashamed of their stupidity and greed

Jon Preston replied on

Buses. No mention of electric buses.

This is a key part missing on the buses strategy and that is the use of bus stations, public buildings and multi-storey car parks, owned by councils to provide the solar pv needed to charge electic buses. Charging buses up on cheap overnight electricity for wind and selling much of the solar pv back during peak demand should be a net positive to facilitate a transition to electric transport. ( The use of solar pv in the daytime reduces the exorbitant subsidy paid to gas fired power stations).

Charging council, or other public service owned electric vehicles further reduces the need for individual ownership of cars. (80% of which are on some sort of lease hire / hire purchase model)

That should go a little way to helping councils develop local ownership.

Charge points at bus stations, schools, colleges, hospitals, council buildings and near multistorey car parks would permit husge savings on fuel and reduce air pollution. (How much do the NHS services pay for taxi services to and from hospital?)

The UK government has been taken to the courts three times on their failure to address air pollution. Providing electric buses to take over the school run would help reduce the exposure of children to air pollution.

Staggering school runs for example at 8:30 and 9:00 would ensure more impact could be made on air pollution with fewer buses at least initially.

Air pollution aggravates asthma and causes poor lung development.

In older people air pollution increases the risk of cardio-vascular problems such as hearth attacks and strokes and raises the risk of asthma attacks.

The failure to deal with air pollution is not only a climate and health problem it is also an occupational health problem. In other words it should be very much in the interest of the unions to raise these issues.

John Archibald ... replied on

My article for Publicly Owned Railways

There’s a mountain of reasons why privatisation can’t work and why the Government admitted in 1865 that Nationalisation was an option to homogenise the disorderly rail systems. But having worked for BR, SAR and the NRZ as a Traction and Rolling Stock Engineer and having witnessed rail travel here in the late 50’s when it was cheaper and faster than bus car or truck. And in times of ticket sales exceeding seating capacity, the station pilot would simply shunt on two or more coaches to accommodate this demand on the 8:30 (to wherever) and a standby locomotive would double head the train away at 8:30 – and all this was done with no computers or other digital coms! Had BR been given a free reign and the politicians supported our State Run Railway, we would have gold plated rails and executive class travel for all on TGV style trains and propped up the NHS to boot with the revenues BR had!

It’s a similar situation in Germany and France btw, although the general public in these countries are now being taken for a ride too! But sadly for us the die was cast in 1955 with the modernisation policy the corrupt Tory Government devised. Its aim was simple: increase road use and disseminate rail! Why? Because oil and Natural Gas was coming on tap and society was being emancipated form totalitarian rule to; perceived democracy freedom and a better life.

So much so that in the blink of an eye our railway system was more than halved and given to Souter Branson et al for free by their buddy Tory B. Thus Public Ownership and operational control is not only pragmatic, it’s the only option we have to restore common sense for the benefit of the many and to give our children the railway we paid for.

Jim McNeill replied on

Hi...I was wondering if one could buy 'we own it' or 'nationalisation' stickers through yourselves ~ or if you know of other suppliers?

Cheers

Biba replied on

Hello Jim,

Thank you for your message. Great to hear you want some stickers. We don't actually have any at the moment i'm afraid, but we are working on opening a shop online soon which you will be able to get these sorts of resources from as well as t-shirts.

Keep up to date with our email newsletter and we will make sure to give you all the information on there when the shop is ready.

Best wishes,

Biba from the We Own It team

John Archibald replied on

The choice is simple; Either keep believing the state propaganda and swallow the crap meted out by our undemocratically elected politicians and their system of corrupt governance; watching our public utilities get worse, become more unaffordable and let our children become poorer. As they will saddle generations for thousands of years to pay for the waste, poisoning, or the fallout from the mass destruction of nuclear fission, in a World stripped of oil, gas, coal and wood. Our stand up, unite and take Public Control of our strategic services and give our children a sustainable World to inherit!

So, count me in to help run our strategic utilities! But I’d suggest we do it on a pro rata basis, i.e. relative to earnings/taxation/ability. I’d lay odds on that within a year the greedy anti socialists will come running in their droves to join us as they desert the mirage of a their God “Dream”! As that’s all it is - unless one’s born with a silver spoon in one’s mouth, or they steel it from the poor, infirmed and the many who are frightened to fight back, albeit for good reason – they won’t divvy out their bullets and WMD’s are a No No too!

John B Harries-... replied on

We are a Socialist country. That means we are people of interlinked communities. We are families and friends that help and support each other. What we do together has nothing to do with the American dream of monetary gain. We pool our resources and put them to the use of all. Big business or private companies, are built on the ideal of gain and profit by subscription.

The NHS, is about health, from birth to death. Its funding is from taxation and investment, and from public donations. It is not a business, it is more than that. It is unique and British and Ubique in our society of British values. Capitalist politicians have tainted and destroyed it by their meddling,.

John B Harries ... replied on

Hi. It is important that the NHS, is public, because it belongs to everyone in the UK. It is there, not to be interfered with, to make money, by zelots and capitalists. It is a Social Service, not a money bandwagon.

Tricia Duncan replied on

Privatisation has seen the worsening of public services and since the Tory government cuts it has become even worse because a profit must be made. Time to take them back, provide a good service and give employees decent wages and employment rights.

NHSfighter replied on

https://www.ipevents.net/healthinvestorawards/ The Presidents' Ball for those looking to privatise the NHS. This year multiple organisations will be protesting outside this event with news agencies covering the protest

DEZ replied on

Transfers to private ownership are generally sold to public authorities as being a more cost effective and efficient way of running services. To reinforce the so called benefits the procurement usually show a cost saving on existing costs which eventually secures the total disruption of shutting down the well tried existing services to prevent reinstatement and then the poor and substandard services start. This disaster decision inevitably culminating in not having enough profit to pay for fat cat useless directors and of course the shareholders cut and the inevitable walk away or worse begging letter under blackmail circumstances of walking away leaving the usual mess to clear up. This is where the NHS is heading under Hunts so called privatised leadership and should be stopped before to late......but greed of course will win through

Martin Rudland replied on

Please note & publicise 2 important effects of the H&SC Act2012.

One is that it TAKES AWAY THE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY for the public's health,

and the other one is that it requires the NHS TO PUT EVERY CONTRACT OUT TO TENDER !

The former enables PRIVATISATION to occur. AND the outcome of that is that some of the money that the NHS would use for clinical work then goes to Private Company Executives and Shareholders, ie the NHS funding is not what we are led to understand.

For example consider an NHS annual budget of £120 billion that is 50% privatised and that the private ‘health’ companies divert 40% of the contract to Executives/Shareholders. The Nett Effect is that £24 billion of NHS annual budget does not go into clinical work! We can then say that the REAL NHS (clinical) annual budget is only £96 billion NOT £120 billion. £96 billion compares very poorly with THE ANNUAL HEALTH BUDGET of equivalent countries !

The latter, ie our NHS tendering for work previously automatically done in-house, has been calculated as causing an admin cost of anything from £4.7bn to £9.7bn. That money is lost from the NHS clinical budget!

No wonder the NHS has problems, apart from top management which seems incompetent & overpaid AND in place to aid the government’s undermining of OUR NHS .

Jack H replied on

Nationalised industries are run not for the benefit of consumers of those services but for the benefit of the inevitably highly unionised work forces that end up in charge due to the pressure on the government in power. Train tickets are expensive but mass transport systems are and subsidies to the trains in the UK are the lowest in Europe i.e those who use a service pay for most of it, shock horror.

People talk of nationalisation putting power back in the hands of 'the people' and by this they mean the unions and the government, with the latter ending up running it for the benefit of the former and not the consumer. People forget how shit and unsafe train services were under BR, just like how they quite often forget how the NHS regularly scores bottom of the table in Commonwealth Fund on comparative health outcomes- http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/files/publications/fund-report/2017/jul/schneider_mirror_mirror_2017.pdf, page 5, exhibit 2.

Robert Upton replied on

People or profit this government is about profit enough said

Jon Westoby replied on

I've never thought privatisation was a sensible idea. It subscribes to the dumbest of dogmas. But I would value seeing a costed way back. Handing natural monopolies to the private sector has denuded public authorities of expertise and capital investment, making privatisation very much a one way street - an urgent reason to do no more of it.

And one more comment. It's easy to see what has to be done; remember - people have to do it. When I look at our current crop of politicians, I struggle to discover anyone above mediocre. Not a statesman in sight. Do we really want the people who are making such a Horlicks of Brexit (or their adversaries) to render our services completely FUBAR?

Veronica-Mae Soar replied on

Some one needs to explain to me. We own it ? public ownership ? What does that mean in practice? If we all had shares or it was a co-operative I could understand it. But public ownership just seems to mean that government of the day is in charge. And if they suddenly find they don't have the cash for this or that they could close it down and where would we be ? I would not trust the government to organise a bun fight in a bakery How can we expect them to organise hundreds and hundreds of public services and not lose money hand over fist - or seriously lower standards ?

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